1/13/2024 0 Comments Sam and frodo overlooking mordo![]() `I can hardly believe it,’ said Frodo, clutching him. ![]() `You’re not dreaming at all, Master,’ said Sam. `It’s Sam, I’ve come!’ He half lifted his master and hugged him to his breast. Frodo, my dear!’ cried Sam, tears almost blinding him. He was naked, lying as if in a swoon on a heap of filthy rags: his arm was flung up, shielding his head, and across his side there ran an ugly whip-weal. Is it all thanks to the orcs forgetting everything in the fight and then covering up their misses by failing to report the high suspicion of the second, more powerful spy? Is orc delinquency the only reason the whole plot failed through - Sam was not searched for properly and the Mouth inadvertently gave the spokespeople an indication that not all might be lost yet? With even the shred of this knowledge, the Mouth could have bluffed and told them the other spy was also captured or killed. The orcs knew of Sam's presence, and the question "did you come alone" does not seem very much out of repertoire. ![]() What makes me wonder, though, is that the Mouth of Sauron never mentioned the second spy. And if Pippin's fiasco with the Palantir can be used to judge all hobbits, he would have probably given as little as possible, some one-word answers or nods or something. To them it was more play, but Frodo could have taken it as questioning.Īs far as what Frodo told them - it certainly wasn't much, going by what we have from the Mouth of Sauron. Maybe a pair of brutes sitting in his room and promising him all sorts of things to come, only throwing in an occasional question. I can see that happening, or something close. After all poor Frodo didn't know they weren't allowed to torture him. Full description of every article, garment, weapon, letter ring or trinket is to be sent to Lugbúrz at once, and to Lugbúrz only."īut it's also possible they left him alone deliberately, to let his imagination do the work. Maybe they had other things to attend to in the meantime? Such as itemising his possessions- which Shagrat had orders to do: "Prisoner is to be stripped. I was recently rereading The Return of the King and came to the part of the Tower of Cirith Ungol where it reads: I have a hard time imagining that Frodo didn't say anything to them but I also cannot imagine anything he could have said that would not have raised more questions that I don't think Frodo would have been able to satisfactorily explain away to get them to leave him alone. Again, if nothing else Shagrat and Gorbag would not have had the information needed to ask the right questions. That might have yielded some useful results.or it might not have. They did not torture Frodo because of Sauron's orders and Frodo even said that he was not seriously hurt. The two captains did not begin the fight right there in front of Frodo. However, the timeline is interesting because Frodo's statement implies that some time passed between the end of his questioning and the beginning of the fight. I suppose he may have just refused to speak to them at all, and I would think it would take a long time of this before Shagrat and Gorbag grew bored and frustrated. I didn't dare to move when I was left alone, or one of the guards came.īut the questioning did apparently go on for some extended period of time because Frodo describes it as "until I thought I should go mad." They did eventually leave him alone, which is stated in the passage: The fact that the orcs did not glean more useful information out of Frodo is rather incredible.Ĭlearly, there is no reason to suppose that Shagrat and Gorbag knew the right questions to ask to really get to the bottom of things and Frodo would certainly not want to volunteer any information in that direction.īut that begs the question of what he could have told them to satisfy them. We don't have any idea who the Morgul orcs who made it out first were or their status but I don't believe it is safe to assume they would have been present in the interrogation given Shagrat's distrust of Gorbag's "lads". The information in the possession of the orcs about the "spies" being some kind of strange dwarf-men, which was the closest to accurate information that the Mordor orcs had at their disposal must have come from Shagrat and the Morgul orcs that made it out of the Tower first. What would Frodo have told them under the questioning? He clearly did not tell them much of value since Shagrat would (presumably) have told Sauron everything he knew about Frodo before he was (evidently) killed. ![]() This passage gave me pause for the first time. They stripped me of everything and then two great brutes came and questioned me, questioned me until I thought I would go mad
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